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breaking news. new details on the fiscal cliff deal that timothy geithner put on the table today during his meeting with congressional leaders on the hill. these details just coming in. jessica yellin has that and what have you learned about what geithner took you know, listed out with the numbers and put on the table? >> hey, erin, here are some of the details i'm getting from senior officials on both sides. the headline is that he put out a number of $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that was at according to republican officials, a surprise. they expected a much smaller number and that has some republicans crying foul. he proposes extending unemployment insurance. continuing the dock fix. that's approving additional spending on medicare to pay doctors. the amt patch protecting middle income americans. $50 billion in stimulus next year and in return, the administration would offer $400 billion in additional medicare and other entitlement savings next year to be spelled out as they negotiate. there would also be an agreed mechanism for allowing a vote on a debt ceiling increase for perpetui perpe
fiscal cliff deals is incredible. >> and the sad part, for the american people who are watching from the outside, is they don't realize how much of this theater getting to the deal. we know we have to have -- boehner's going to have to talk tough because it seem likes he's holding firm and the white house is holding firm and the left groups are going to flip and right groups are going to flip and it's going to be this dance, and then we'll get to a deal somehow. if you're saying okay, am i -- are my taxes going up on the 1st or not? >> they are. >> they are, one way or the other. people in the country the way they pay for christmas, focus groups heard this over and over, take out a loan to buy presents, against what they think they'll get back in tax returns to pay back that loan. for those people, all of this dance, we joke, and it is funny and ridiculously childish and high school, maybe junior high, it's scary for people on outside saying -- >> the personal approval rating is 9%, up to 11% now. >> let's also keep in mind, optics are part of this. person who has all of the leverage
the fiscal cliff. the president says no deal without raising taxes on the rich. melissa: the nations largest seaport complex at a near standstill for the eighth straight day. drake christopher is going to join us with how this could impact your holiday season. lori: i was just kidding, actually. bacon is kosher. i do not eat kosher. melissa: speaking of kosher -- lori: rubbing elbows with the royals. our next ambassador -- you are speechless. melissa: i do not know about that one. time for stocks now as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides is standing by. nicole: right now, we are seeing the dow jones industrial average down just 12 points. so far, we are having a losing week on wall street. let's see what happens at the end of the day. these moves are really fractional. the s&p down a third of a percent. december, traditionally, is the best month for the s&p 500 since 1950. we will see whether or not that seems to come to correlation. i want to take a look at some of the auto retailers. it turns out they are not doing so well with their sales. pat boys, in particular, revenue missing f
with treasury secretary tim geithner about trying to broker some sort of deal on the fiscal cliff. we will listen to the speaker when he starts talking. connell: scott minored is coming up. john boehner comments he can move the market, scott will be talking about markets and investing from guggenheim chief investment officer, $160 billion, knows his stuff and we will talk about the economic data and again fiscal cliff and everything else, 39 and the dow i hear the winners we're seeing on the s&p today. i'm only in my 60's... i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options. then i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call now and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, it helps pick up some of what medicare doesn't pay. and could save you th
. in the next half hour, we'll talk about the prospect for a fiscal cliff deal with california's democratic congressman xavier becerra. >>> the rain and flooding are relentless in northern california. four storms in less than a week left at least one death now attributed to those storms. and more rain is expected today. let's get right to meteorologist rob marciano. he is following it all from the cnn weather center in atlanta. good morning. >> good morning, zoraida. this is the worst stretch of storms that northern california has seen really in about two years. another punch today then we'll set up for a dry trend. the good news is that it has been dry so the ground, even though we've seen a lot of major flooding, the ground has absorbed a fair amount of it. seattle to portland, rain right now. snow at the highest elevations, and the rain will eventually push down into san francisco and sacramento later on today. this system is actually messing up the atmosphere and creating a lot of warmth across much of the country. if you live anywhere east of the rockies, actually anywhere east of the
over the fiscal cliff. and there's just one more month left of trading this year. so what is in store for investors this december? let me bring in our guests. good to see everybody. stephanie, let me get your take on investing around this fiscal cliff. before that, give me your take on this morgan stanley rebalance. what do you think happened at end here with the the market up just about a point? >> i think it just added to the volatility. that's the theme for the next couple of weeks. we are going to see a very volatile environment until we get a resolution. so in the short-term, you're kind of trading range bound in the market. i think you want to take advantage of the extremes. so into these big positive moves, you take a little off. it's not a bad thing to take profits and to have cash. i do think that when you see the market pull back and you see extremes in terms of on the downside, i think you want to be buying because i think once you get this fiscal cliff resolution, whenever it is, i think the markets will work higher because the underlying fundamentals in the u.s. economy a
the fiscal cliff. but right now they're miles apart and digging in their heels. president obama told bloomberg tv a deal is possible, but -- >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> reporter: that plan sent to the white house offers a total of $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade. that includes $1.2 trillion in spending cuts and $800 billion in new tax revenue, but here's the key. no rate increases in the top 2% of taxpayers. that's non-negotiable for president obama. >> we're not going to be able to got a deal without it. >> reporter: the white house says the republicans' math just doesn't add up. >> it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> reporter: negotiations have reached a stalemate. >> there's nothing going on privately that is not going on publicly. >> reporter: there is no plan at this time for congressional leaders to meet with the president at the white house, and it doesn't sound like he's sending out invitations any time soon. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. >> reporter: earlie
a deal. you've got 98% agreement on taxes. take that deal. don't go over the fiscal cliff. live to find another deal on a grand bargain. tax reform, entitlement. >> you really think democrats, they get that tax increase, that they're going to come and give spending cuts later. >> i think there are ways you can try to make it. eric's made a great point historically that things like ruddman, the spending cuts never end up happening. everyone who's realistic at the table recognizes you've got to have a balanced plan. serious cuts and revenue increases. you can't -- >> we've had 18 debt and deficit commissions since '81. the cuts never came. >> cynicism isn't a plan though, eric. we need to put forward a plan. can't just keep saying they're screwing it up. >> if you don't put cuts in though with tax increase, you've got a problem because it's easy to raise taxes on a few people. most people will not support cuts that hurt them. >> you've got to have entitlement reform. >> you can actually lower rates, close loopholes and raise revenue. >> all right. thanks to both. appreciate it. more than
on that in a moment. >> investment banks paralyzed by the fiscal cliff. we'll find out what it will take to get deals going once again. >> we expect the president to speak on the fiscal cliff before the business roundtable. we'll bring you his comments live. citigroup cutting 11,000 jobs taking a billion dollar charge. kayla tausche has more. >> investors see this as a positive. a big move for a new ceo who is just getting his sleeves rolled up. the cuts will span across nearly all of the company's divisions but biggest slice of the pie coming from global consumer banking cutting 6,200 jobs there. the cuts are broad. nearly 2,000 jobs cut from the institutional clients group including investment banking six times the layoffs reported to take place in the securities business earlier this month. jim cramer said earlier that it feels like citigroup has been cutting jobs forever but that's because the bank has downsized by a third since peak employment in 2007. most of that cutting took place after he took the reigns. it will have 261,000 jobs once these cuts are done. the 11,000 announced today is a big
already rejected deal to solve the fiscal cliff. he will be traveling to pennsylvania to push his pitch for tax increases on the wealthy. republicans say the campaign-style tactics are getting in the way of productive talks. more companies are announcing special dividends in anticipation of higher tax rates after the new year. whole foods announced a $2 a share special dividend. also declaring one-time payouts, regal entertainment ends on pharmaceuticals and intel labs among other companies. >>> the german parliament has given its approval to the greek debt deal approved by european finance ministers earlier this week. that means that greece can receive about $57 billion in rescue loans. >>>. >> our guest host today is with us trying to rise above and fix the debt. larry, former chairman and ceo of honeywell. one of our favorite guest hosts. you come about once every quarter, larry. >> i do. >> once a quarter. and -- i don't know. last quarter was -- seems like 10, 15 years ago at this point. doesn't it? >> it does to you. to me it is about right. >> with everything that we have been th
of this fiscal cliff deal. that includes house democrats. and how do i go about doing that without totally alienating the base of my party? and i'm very curious to see what his next step is because his opening offer was essentially where he said he could only go in the debt ceiling bargains of july 2011. he said i can go to $800 billion in revenue, i can do these specific entitlement reforms. that's now his opening offer. where does he go here? >> i think, though, steve that the president of the united states and mr. lew and other democrats need to start looking at him differently. he is like an attorney that knows what his client is going to give and what his client's not going to give. we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has,
saying he's confident the obama administration can reach a deal with congress to avoid the fiscal cliff. but speaking with reporters in bangkok, he says the automaker is prepared for any outcome. cnbc has learned the completion of the so-called volcker rule is being delayed until the end of the first quarter of next year instead of the end of this year. the rule which is named for paul volcker bans banks from proprietary trading. but it's proven difficult for u.s. regulators to define and high volume of feedback has led to push back, repeated push back, of that deadline. mervyn king will release financial stability report today. there's been speculation in the report that king will raise capital requirements for banks and introduce new banking regulations. for our uk viewers, we'll bring you live coverage of the bank of england's report in just over an hour. for thousannow, chris wheeler j. what is your sense of what he could say? >> if we look at the uk banks, perhaps lloyd and those that have the biggest issues despite all the work, i think they're on a glide path to get to where they
in congress hinted they were optimistic about a deal over the so-called fiscal cliff. the euro is edging higher against the yen and that's changing hands at 106.24-26. let's take a look at stocks now. tokyo share prices are edging higher as concerns about the u.s. economy are receding. the nikkei average at 9371, a gain of .7% from wednesday's close. export-related issues, including automakers, are leading the market advance. and taking a look at other markets open in the asia-pacific, we're seeing south korea's kospi trading higher by .9%, 1929. and in australia, the benchmark index is trading higher by .4%, 4465. we'll see where china takes us in the next hour. >>> countries around the world are accelerating moves to solidify trade relations. among them, japan and the european union are seeking an economic partnership. but france's trade minister says yeahn pa will have to meet certain conditions before that happens. eu trade ministers will begin discussions on thursday on whether to approve the start of negotiations with japan for an economic partnership agreement. japan would have to
to go, anywhere closer to a deal of the fiscal cliff? if you listen to lawmakers, the answer is no, but cumberland advisers thinks a compromise is brewing. >> hundreds of thousands of cars destroyed by hurricane sandy, but as drivers rush to replace them, you may be forced to pay a higher price. >> huh. a car salesmen or congressmen? who do americans trust the least? the new numbers and lou dobbs taking up that up. >> how apple is expanding its empire into the crib. >> my goodness. there's little siri there and little macbook. goinged to floor of the new york stock exchange, and, lauren, economic data, down just a little bit in the red today, down 22 points 37 >> yeah, it is the first trading day of the new month. december, a strong month historically for the stocks, but there's a push and pull going on between market forces and the economic data, and we're in the red across the board, relatively flat this monday morning. the data, u.s. manufacturing activity last month lowest level since the summer of 2009, but then we got a construction spending report that was good. in october,
] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. >>> negotiating a deal on the fiscal cliff. they say a good compromise leaves everybody unhappy, but can house speaker john boehner rise above the partisan politics and still escape the wrath of his tea party? we'll ask former house majority leader dim armey. >>> and we've seen some major executive shake-up these year. management guru jeffrey seinfeld will join us to grade the hires and fires of 2012. >> the third hour of "squawk box" begins right now. >>> welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc first in business worldwide. i'm joe kernen along with becky quick. andrew ross sorkin is off today. our guest host this morning, steve mcmahon, co-founder of purple strategies and david walker, founder and ceo of the comeback america initiative. more from them in just a minute. first, we have some headlines for you this morning. let's begin with the markets and the looming fiscal cliff. the dow finishing november lower. and that is the second consecutive month. the blue championships fell .5% in november. 3% since the start of october. the nasdaq an
rally here. again, the market is demonstrated that it believes a deal on the fiscal cliff is coming. i know. i didn't hear it over the weekend. headline risk was all anybody wanted to talk about on friday. if anybody says that a deal is not happening or it's going nowhere, we could wake up down 15 points on the s&p on monday. guess what? boehner said the deal is going nowhere. now, when i call the bulls on this, they say, bob, they didn't say a deal was off. they just said so far the negotiations are going nowhere. the market still believes that a deal is coming and it's going to be a substantive deal. instead and by the way, geithner insisted on tax rates issues. looks like there may be something happening eventually. we didn't fall apart on the whole thing. even futures weren't down overnight. instead we rally on a little bit overnight on the greek deal and for those that don't know and this is arcane depending on what kind of bonds you're talking about, the bonds that they are offering are priced well above what anybody was expecting. that's one of the reasons that greece is moving
the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland market surge nearly 3%. more austerity. plus, austerity measures are hitting european consumers. retail sales in october fall much more than expected. september also revised sharply to the downside. >>> it was a flat day really for european stocks, slightly negative for u.s. stocks yesterday. we are a little bit higher. the dow is currently some 43 points above fair value. the nasdaq is around four points above fair value. the s&p 500 at the moment is around about four points above fair value. european stocks are up half a percent earlier. we have come off those highs. eurozone pmis a little bit better than expected. but still deeply in contraction territory. uk services pmis dipped weaker than expected. the ftse up a quarter a percent. the ibex up around .2. also dragged down by disappointing retail sales. that's where we stand right now ahead of the u.s. open. what are investors to
we could do is go over the fiscal cliff. we have the same tax rates that we have when bill clinton was president. significant cuts in defense and also significant human services can you tell us. >> katie, let me ask you, before you respond to what governor dean is saying. there is logic to what howard dean is saying. i don't happen to agree with it. but i know where he's coming from. katie, let me ask you this -- katie can't hear me. we'll wait for her to get back hooked in. howard, what about the notion that i'm posing tonight -- i've said this a few times -- republicans better be careful. they're not going down your road and the democrats aren't going down your road. you have middle class tax cuts for the democrats and it sometimes sounds to me as an old reagan conservative that the republicans better watch themselves because sometimes it sounds like they are kind of defending rich people. that's their whole mantra, just defending rich people. and i think that's not where they should be. >> i would agree. if i were politically advising the republicans, which i'm certainly not, i
of the deal to head off -- to stop us from going off the fiscal cliff. they said by the way we need to raise the debt limit and this new proposal of eliminating congress from the process of raising the debt limit. >> senator mcconnell has offered to have an up or down vote on this and democrats haven't taken him up on it. all of the spending reductions that simon cited in the 1990s were tied to the debt limit increase. it gives republicans leverage. president obama has the leverage in the fiscal cliff fight. he's willing to let the tax go up on the middle class. on the debt increase he doesn't have the same leverage. bob woodward pointed out that tim geithner said to president obama if the republicans stick to their guns on the debt limit bill you cannot reto it. the consequences will be so clam to us that you cannot veto it. so obama would have capitulated. megyn: that's what simon is saying now. that we shouldn't put the country in that position. >> the only way we'll get action on this debt. we keep spending and spending and raising our debt by $6 trillion every obama term. that's what ca
on this fiscal cliff which has automatic tax hikes and spending cuts as of january one, they are trying to avert that. he says any deal on this must include an end to the debt ceiling all together. he wants complete power to raise the country's limit by himself. he doesn't want to have to get congressional approval. that is a demand stirring strong response from republicans today. >> the on way we ever cut spending is by using the debate over the debt limit to do it. now the president wants to remove that spur to cut all together. of course, it gets in the way of his spending plans. i can assure you it one happen. the american people want washington to get spending under control and the debt limit is the best tool we have to make the president take that demand seriously. the american people want us to fight to cut spending. it's a fight they deserve and a fight we are happy to have. >> joining me now, simon rosenberg. and mark theisen. guys, welcome. simon, let me start with you on this. we did have some democrats come on the show and say no, the president doesn't get to just decide when to rais
on optimism around the idea that we could reach some sort of a deal to overt the fiscal cliff. the dow closing more than 100 points higher after being down by more than that during the session. a swing like that hasn't happened since october 2011. u.s. equity futures at this hour actually higher. up by about 65 for the dow, s&p more than 7, and as joe mentioned, the fiscal cliff is still the focus. today treasury secretary tim geithner will be meeting with congressional leaders. first harry reid at about 10:00 and then followed by a session with john boehner, eric cantor, paul ryan and chairman of the house's tax writing ways and means committee dave camp. also lunch with republican senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi. yesterday a number of high profile corporate leaders met with president obama at the white house, including lloyd blankfein. >> both sides have acknowledge there had is revenue concessions and entitlement concessions. in fact if you listen to it, again, i'm not a master of the political art here, but i would say if you have these point of views in a business
and counting and still no deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, as the president and republicans continue with verbal jabs about each others plans. >> tom: i'm tom hudson. businesses aren't waiting for a deal, they're rewarding shareholders with special dividends ahead of higher taxes in 2013. >> susin
on wall street modestly higher today i did spite no sign of a deal on the fiscal cliff. take a look how we're settling out this thursday afternoon on wall street. the industrial average at 13,074. the s&p up just a fraction. will the markets get a boost from another cash infusion? ben pace says he's expecting the federal reserve to announce another round of stimulus at the meeting next week. is that what the markets really want right now? ben pace joins me along with chris heize and rick santelli. ben, let's talk fed policy. you think the fed announces qe-4 next week? >> i think it's the fact the twist operation is ending at the ends of the year, and they don't feel compelled to incrementally tighten that. that means it has to be replaced. that's the qe-4, the fact they'll continue to buy to continue to be just as easy as they've been since the september 16th qe- 3 announcement. >> so you think it's a continuation. what's the impact on the market, do you think? is it priced in? are we expecting that? what do you think? >> i think it's generally priced in. the thing that concerns me the mos
it will be the democrats. >> it could be. depending on what happens. if they keep posturing we can go off the fiscal cliff it won't be such a big deal i don't think that's where most democrats will end up. you they are president and a lot of people down in washington saying they don't want to go off the fiscal cliff. as far as grover norquist notices, i don't think republicans should be caving to a special interest of one, frankly. we do see some brave republicans coming out there and they should be supported because they are about finding a solution. >> i want to show this tomb the president playing golf with former president bill clinton. how much do you think fiscal cliff was coming up during their golf rounds? >> i'm sure they talked about it because president clinton is a political wonk. what bill clinton showed during his presidency is that there's a way to show common ground with republicans who hate you. they impeached bill clinton but made a deal. they made a deal that was nor the right of where most democrats are. this president has a unique opportunity to make a deal for more towards his left.
at the beginning of the year, regardless of whether or not a deal is reached on the so-called fiscal cliff. stuart varney has got the bad news and it's in small print of the health care reform. >> it is. under obamacare. everybody is looking at the fiscal cliff, tax the rich more for the fiscal. okay. we've got that. but we are definitely going to tax the rich just a little bit more come january 1 to pay for obamacare, specifically taxes on capital gains, dividends going up to just a little bit more, just a little bit more on january 1, and also a little bit more on income of those people making more than $200,000 a year. so we have defined rich down to $200,000 a year. it was a lot higher than that, but guaranteed january 1, a little bit more for obamacare. >> steve: when you say a little bit more, you mean like 3 or 4%, which adds up. >> it does. it's 3.8% extra as a capital gains tax. >> steve: that's a done deal. that's baked into the health care reform? >> that's it. there is no discussion about it. that was passed two years ago. this is going to happen. then you've got maybe a little bit mor
. how do you view fiscal cliff discussions? >> i was pretty optimistic until about three days ago. my sense was republicans had lost enough ground, they wanted to get a new deal before they got weaker. they admitted that there has to be some revenue. meanwhile the obama team led by secretary geithner are comfortable with at least 2:1 what they would call entitlement cuts. so there was a lot of ground for a deal. unfortunately, i think the threats from some democratic leaders that maybe it's okay to go over the fiscal cliff, i'm worried some actually believe that and that's one thing that scares me. i think there's a deal on the table, get a few years deal, it's only if -- obviously the republican caucus could do something stupid, but owes otherwise my main word is the dems decide they want to play for a long term deal that it all has to be resolved right now and it's worth the risk and i don't think it's worth the risk. >> adam, always good to see you. thank you very much indeed. we move on, stay in the united states, strike at the port of los angeles long beach is entering its sevent
up on the wealthiest americans, there will be no deal to avert going over the fiscal cliff. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: house republicans are adamant, no tax rate increases. >> we're willing to put revenues on the table. revenues that come from closing loopholes, getting rid of special interest deductions and not raising rates. >> reporter: but what the republicans are offering sounds a lot like what the president wanted during last year's budget showdown. >> give us $1.2 trillion in additional revenues, which could be accomplished without hiking tax rates by eliminating loopholes, eliminating some deductions. >> reporter: today, however, the president says those moves will not be enough. and the latest pew poll shows a lot of public pessimism. with 49% of the public saying they do not expect a deal to be struck by the deadline. 40%, a little more optimistic. george? >> sure looks like this will go right to the deadline. jake, thanks very much. >>> george, now, we're going to get
to avoid the fiscal cliff almost asap. was it because it was a bad deal but his favorite deal could be no deal at all. i feel like i am playing let's make a deal. remember that show? >> steve: meanwhile fascianista and mentor about to get a major promotion from the president? is she qualified to be a u.s. ambassador and run an embassy? we ask you ladies and gentlemenn of the jury. >> brian: she would be best dressed. fired for being a man. bell ringer was silenced because the girls bring in more christmas cash. is that true? "fox and friends" starts right now. ♪ >> steve: welcome aboard, folks. live from studio e. brian has a lot of friend exercise family members that watch the program. call him throughout the program today, because unbeknowns to you. prian cell phone has fallen through a hole of the jacket pocket and stuck in the lining. >> brian: it dropped through the lining and a secret passage. >> gretchen: give me that coat. >> brian: this is how i function. >> gretchen: somebody get scissors . i can feel the calls coming through. >> brian: there we go. hole in the pocket bu
coming off in the battle over how to get off the fiscal cliff. republicans call president bam become's opening proposal ludicrous. and absurd. the president is going public to try to ridicule the g.o.p. lawmakers to accepting the tax hikes now. >> i miss visiting towns like this. >> president obama got his wish, rather than negotiating with republicans he was hamering them. back on the campaign trail in a factory that makes angry bird toys. >> it's not accept to believe me and i don't think it's acceptable for you for republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage because they don't want the tax rates on the upper income folks to go up. >> within minutes, john boehner fired back the talks are on life support. >> let's not kid ourselves. >> boehner ripped the president for sending treasury secretary ti tim geithner to capitol hill with a proposal that led mitch mcconnell literally burst out laughing. >> the white house took three weeks to respond with any kind of proposal. and much to my disappointment, it wasn't a serious one. >> their beef is the president campaigned
. thanks for being with us. >> greta: tonight are they will the real deal or bad actors? >> the fiscal cliff is theatre, nothing more and nothing less. it's a game of political chicken, folks. it will result in a winner and a loser. >> our ultimate goal is an agreement that gets our long-term deficit under control in a way that is fair and balanced. >> if the president really wants to reach an agreement, he needs to be talking with members of his own party, right here in washington, trying to broker an agreement. not out there firing up crowds and giving speeches. >> we all know that we've had this spending crisis coming at us like a freight train. and it has to be dealt with. in order to try to come to an agreement, republicans are willing to cut revenue on the table, but it's time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem that our country has. >> but the point is, there is no economic growth being discussed in the fiscal cliff argument, the solution -- there is no economic growth. not possible with what's being proposed. in fact just the exact opposite
ahead, investors remain on edge over the looming, yes, fiscal cliff. but imf chief christine lagarde says she's hopeful for a deal. >>> draghi tells leaders not to rely solely on the ecb and chastises them for past mistakes. >> the crisis has shown that we were living in a fairy world in is a. sense we underestimated. >> germany finance minister warn as greek detaught could spell the end of the euro as lawmakers prepare to vote on new funds for athens. and japan has surprisingly strong industrial drought put in october and yet another stimulus package sending tokyo stocks to a seven month high. plus president obama takes his case for tax hikes for the wealthy to the american people today as the war of words between democrats and republicans over the fiscal cliff heats up. >>> today we're taking a look at where futures are positioned and the dow jones industrial average is trying to add about 13 points at the open. it's over that 13,000 level we've been watching. the nasdaq, s&p are also looking to finish the month slightly higher. interestingly enough, the nasdaq has been higher for
're not going to reach some sort of deal to avoid the fiscal cliff? i mean that would be so unpopular across the nation. >> you would -- if you can take an action that would solve the problem for 98% of the country and then come back to the debate about the wealthiest 2%, let's get that first chunk done. republicans fear they could lose leverage if they cave in on the middle-class issue. apparently the president, his team has made increased demand here including, a provision now, part of the negotiations where, the congressional control over the debt limit would go away. and congress does not like to have its power take any way. so maybe the white house, upped the ante and played the stronger card and has republicans balking, according to reporting by "the washington post." that's a new element, all of that, that could prove interesting because it's stripping congressional control. and we just had the big debate over the debt ceiling. >> exactly. >> interesting. the clock is ticking, fellows, for sure. >>> speaking of money, extending jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed could help
cuts do you think it would take to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff? and you think that just the promise of spending cuts have to be included at this level and at this time? >> it is not productive for either side to lay out hard lines as for what size the spending cuts ought to be. there are a lot of options on how you can get there. but the second part of your question was? >> my question is do you think the promise of spending cuts has to be included in the deal that averts the fiscal cliff? >> there is a free-market we presented to the white house two weeks ago. the framework has been agreed to in terms of a down payment for the end of this year. that would include spending cuts and it would include revenue. setting up a process for entitlement reform next year and tax reform next year. but this is way out of bounds. and not a recognition by the part of the white house on the serious spending problem we have. >> facing the prospect of going over the fiscal cliff or extending the lower tax rate and at the upper one, which would you choose? >> i will do everything i can to
the fiscal cliff? >> bob: a lot of people will get hurt. i don't care if the 2% will get hurt. >> greg: you hate rich people. >> bob: i don't hate them. they're all right. they give money to philharmonic. >> greg: without rich peopl people, there would be no government. >> bob: a deal is worked out as we speak. there will be a deal and include some increase. maybe not the entire for the upper income people. there will be adjustment to social security. >> eric: we'll continue to rack up $1 trillion. guess what our kids will be stuck with? trillions and trillions of debt. additional debt. >> dana: i am worried about the future when it comes to that. let me tell you. i don't think is about making the country better for our kids. i don't think it's been true for the last 25 years. i think that the -- >> greg: you hate kids, though. >> dana: an issue that nobody talks about that the president refuses to deal with is entitlement spending. there are ways to preserve entitlement spending for future generation but no congress since carter has been able to do it. someone told me once the only way tha
the message that the country cares about not going off of the fiscal cliff and put it in place a comprehensive debt deal to deal with our country's fiscal challenges. the message they bought was we do not want you to go off the cliff. we do not want to bet the country. we want you to fix the country. we had a number of productive meetings in the past couple of days at the white house and leadership with the house and senate. and the first of house and senate members. we have come back pleased that we have been able to deliver the message of how the are so many people with different backgrounds and political points of view and life experiences who believe this is a critical moment for the country and a test for the country. but we are asking the members of congress to do is come together and take on these challenges, work together and put in place a plan for the good of the country. it is not about special interests. it is about public interest. this is a message dated first group of folks -- a diverse group of folks can deliver. on the campaign to fix the debt, i am so thrilled with what has h
in the corner and make them rush in the middle of a panic as we are about to fall off of the cliff to cut a deal. stuart: here's my problem. if you get a deal, anything like what the president has proposed, or if you go over the fiscal cliff full tilt, either way, you will have a recession and president obama's second term starts on a very negative note for the american economy. >> you put your finger on the problem. the point of having these fiscal cliff negotiations is to avoid what could lead to a recession, to avoid a calamity. the proposal your putting forward leaves you with an even worse position than you are now, what is the purpose of this? stuart: stay there for a second. i want to get the company's opinion on the raising of the debt ceiling. it is and abolition of the debt ceiling so the president and borrow whatever he wants without congressional authority. >> extraordinary power grab like we haven't seen in a long time. washington d.c. has been in bubble bland. we are in a government bubble. washington d.c. is disconnected from the reality of real-estate going up but the issue is wa
the fiscal cliff. because that just maybe gets you over the hump. this may be just a temporary fix to give them time to work out in 2013 perhaps a bigger deal, a grand bargain. but what does grand bargain mean. if you were able to cobble together a bigger deal, but a lot of people worry that's fiscal drag. and that will mean that as we move into '14, '15, growth will be a lot softer. >> you have to get confidence because. because if the consumer doesn't have confidence going into christmas and next year and saying i don't know what's going on, right now that's holding up our economy. two-thirds of our economy is driven by the consumer actually starting to spend. business is dragging. you will see a multiplier effect on the negative side and 2014 will look worse because people won't travel, they won't buy. all advertising, you can just look at kind of going across the board and saying if businesses don't know what's going on and congress can't get back together and the consumer said i thought things were going to get better because consumers always spend more than they have, that's going to
. important thing moving on about the fiscal cliff. the biggest story passed around here this morning was the politico article where they finally put a name on making a deal. the 37% solution, just split the difference between 35.6% and 39.6% increasing taxes and call it the 37% solution. that's the article everybody's been passing around today. on apple, just a quick note on apple here, there was as many notes out as there were analysts on apple. the main point on it is that most agree is that concern on iphone sales are the number one problem. att made a comment yesterday, that basically sales were the same as last year than the first sales of the --. a lot of t back to you guys. >> actually, i would be encouraged if i were an apple shareholder that the stock actually opened down today. if there's any hope. italian bonds getting hit today too. of course worth keeping track of. okay, let's shift the bonds into dollars. >> we're going to stick with that european theme and when bob pisani says central banks and activism in the same sen tes, i still have good bumps, they're not good goo
. >> sreenivasan: wall street tracked the ups and downs of the fiscal cliff drama in washington today. at one point, the dow jones industrial average was off more than 100 points. but stocks made up the ground after the president's talk of a deal by christmas. the dow ended with a gain of nearly 107 points to close at 12,985. the nasdaq rose 24 points to close well over 2,991. a moderate republican senator susan collins of maine voiced new concerns today about u.n. ambassador susan rice. it stemmed from rice's initial account, on a sunday talk show, of the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. at the time, she said it began as an anti-american protest, but she now says she was working off faulty intelligence. rice met with collins for 90 minutes today, but afterward the senator remained critical. >> i still have many questions that remain unanswered. i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of the contentious presidential election campaign by agreeing to go on the sunday shows to present the adminis
the republicans to avoid that so-called fiscal cliff at year's end. it would raise the eligibility for medicare lower. but the plan would keep all bush-era tax cuts in place, including those for the wealthy. the president says that is a deal-breaker. >>> and the editor in chief at "vogue" magazine could become a top debit. bloomberg reporting that president obama may nominate anna wintour, as the next ambassador to either britain or france. she was among the president's top campaign fund-raisers. >>> and this morning, a powerful teachers union is trying to raise the bar for teachers, calling for a tough, certification test, not unlike the bar exam for lawyers. the federation of teachers want to maintain a 3.0 grade point average and have ten hours of field experience. sound like good ideas. >>> the flu season has arrived already. the earliest in nearly a decade. officials are warning the primary strain making the rounds right now is more severe than others, especially for the elderly. >>> finally, a reminder. never a good idea to show off. a man who writes for a motorcycle magazine in france, t
our economy. how to deal with them in a responsible way, get us passed this fiscal cliff, passed in august, only plan in washington, d.c., to prevent these debilitating tax increases from hitting across all of our family owned small businesses. finally, mr. speaker, h.r. 6365, it's the national security and job protection act. we passed that in september. that's the bill that looks specifically at these coming defense cuts. these cuts that secretary of defense leon panetta has called devastating in their impact. i know you do, mr. speaker, leon panetta, former chief of staff to president bill clinton, former chairman of the democratic-led budget committee here in the u.s. house of representatives, current secretary of defense calls these defense cuts devastating. this u.s. house has passed a proposal to prevent that second round of cuts from taking place. it's the only proposal anywhere in this town to have passed. we did in august. we took care of our business and we have yet to have partnership from either the white house or the senate. on that proposal. we took the sequester r
a fiscal cliff agreement. [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] the numbers are largely unchanged from the ones conducted right after the election. that's exactly what the president said. we're in the exit polls. to only 27% would blame obama if the country goes over the cliff. blah blah, blah. to that 64%ers who didn't believe it would have a major effect on the u.s. economy and 60% think that will be negative. who are republicans fighting for? not for a majority of americans. he's fighting for the top 2% who he says are actually small business owners. >> mmm no. >> stephanie: talk points are getting moldy. a $600 million a year hedge fund would qualify as a small business by paul ryan's misleading definition. regardless of the small business description, that still puts them in the 1% which is less than the majority of americans are compressed by the jobs. >> small compared to the planet jupiter. >> stephanie: right. all relative. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: i don't know what this means. [ ♪ "world news tonight"
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